Isaiah 9: 6,7
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
This is a prophecy of the coming rule of Jesus on earth. These verses gather into one announcement the predictions of the birth, the deity, his earthly government, his just kingdom, and eternity of Christ.
For unto us a Child is born
The purpose of Christ’s coming was for “us.”
Unto us a Son is given
Jesus did not happen upon earth. From eternity God planned to “give” him. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus existed eternally as the Son. The word “Son” is used to show the relationship between the Father and Son.
And the government will be upon His shoulder
Jesus will reign as King Jesus King of the world. The government of the entire world is on his shoulders.
And His name will be called Wonderful
When he came he was a wonder. He transcends human understanding. He is unique among human beings. He stands supreme above everyone else. His name is wonderful because he is wonderful.
And His name will be called… Counselor
Jesus reveals the mind of God. He counsels us from God’s perspective. He gives God’s council.
And His name will be called… Mighty God
He is God almighty. In Him dwells all the fullness of the Deity in bodily form (Colossians 2:9).
And His name will be called… Everlasting Father
This is better translated “The Father of eternity.” All the ages meet in him (Hebrews 1:2). The Son is not to be confused with the Father, although the Father and He are one (John 10:30).
And His name will be called… Prince of Peace.
Peace will characterize his reign upon earth.
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
There will be no end
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
God made a covenant with David many years before the writing of Isaiah that His Son would reign forever. This has not yet been fulfilled. Jesus has not yet been seated upon that throne. There is a day coming when He will reign (Revelation 3:21).
PRINCIPLE: God predicted the coming of Christ. He is sovereign over the affairs of man.
APPLICATION: We can rest confident that God manages the world well.
Bo, it is characteristic of cultic thinking to not answer arguments but to sidestep the issue at hand and move into non sequitur arguments. You obviously cannot answer any of the arguments from John 1:1 or Isaiah 9. Anyone who has a semblance of understanding of hermeneutics and biblical interpretation will understand immediately what my arguments were whether they agreed with them or not.
Please get out of your cultic thinking and a cult if you are in one. Your eternal salvation depends on it. I will pray that the Holy Spirit will bring you to a conviction of the truth of Scriptures.
Likewise Grant, I also pray that someday you only preach what was being said in a simple phrase of the Scripture. Deuteronomy 12:32.
Thank you Grant for this inciteful interpretation. God richly bless you. Amen.
"Jesus has not yet been seated upon that throne."
So where is Jesus currently seated???
So was Jesus the Messiah or nah? of course he was, and just like it was prophesied, he came with a Government on his shoulders. this is not future tense. When asked by the Pharisees, when would the Kingdom come, what was his response Dr.? Did he not preach all throughout the four gospels about this Kingdom? Wasn't that the "Good News" that he came to preach? Wasn't that what everybody was waiting for? Wasn't it common knowledge in that time that when the Messiah appeared he would be bringing with him the Kingdom? Why is this not common knowledge in the Church? Why not only did Jesus preach parables about the Kingdom, but Paul also preached about the Kingdom(Acts 28:30-31)?
For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. He proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance! (Acts 28:30-31) He taught about Jesus but he proclaimed the kingdom!
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. -Mark 1:15 What is the Good news?
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. -Luke 17:20-21 So why are you still waiting like the Pharisees for the Kingdom to come? That was the Government the Messiah came with on his shoulders!
Justin, a simple study of Scripture shows that there are a number of different kinds of kingdoms.
You sidestep my question doc.
"Jesus has not yet been seated upon that throne." – you
So where is Jesus currently seated???
you sidestepped this one also.
So was Jesus the Messiah or no? of course he was, and just like it was prophesied, he came with a Government on his shoulders. this is not future tense. When asked by the Pharisees, when would the Kingdom of God come, what was his response Dr.?
you still side stepping….I'mma keep sending the questions your way until you answer one: so let me get this straight, Jesus gave us the keys to a kingdom that we don't even have access to? We acknowledge the presence of the Kingdom of Darkness so why is theology at odds with the presence of the Kingdom of God?
Grant, you should let your readers know that you are rather dishonest in saying "El is always used of God, never of men". We do find El being used NOT of God (Deut 3:24, 32:12..etc.). We also find El being used of men in verses such as (Gen 31:29 with a Lamed prefix, it doesn't change the definition, the Lamed is used in the sense of "IN" power or "TO" power. Also we find El in this form in Dan 11:36 not used of God and its plural Elim "of gods". Gesenius' Lexicon discredits your claim and mine affirmed. With the term "El-gibhor", we have an opportunity to take the LXX's take on it "the angel/messenger". We need to note that the Septuagint in its day was authoritative and we find quotes from it all over the NT. We also have the opportunity to look at the Great Isaiah scroll from the Qumran caves where we find that the text has Elgibhor (one word) and the Masoretic text (two words). Both in the Masoretic text and the Isaiah scroll we are seeing this in the construct state, meaning that Gibhor carries the definition of warrior and El must carry its alternate definition of mighty. The reason why, is that adjectives do not come before nouns in Hebrew. The translations could be worded several ways, like that of the reformer and orthodox trinitarian, Luther "Kraft-held" = "Strength-Hero" (If you know a bit of German). Luther did not tell his audience that Christ was God in this verse, but rather as he explains "it is NOT of the person of Christ, but to his work" (or something like that if my quote is off….memory).
After reading several of your rebuttals, am I to take that you believe Jesus is the person of Yahweh on the flesh literally?
John, thanks for the correction. I should have said that el is only used of God in Isaiah. For example, “the mighty God” is used of God Himself in Isaiah 10:21. A principle of hermeneutics is the use of a term is most important by a given author, Isaiah uses the term “mighty God” of God Himself. The Son is therefore identified with God who is “the LORD,” “the Holy One of Israel” (10:20). In Isaiah el gibbor is the strongest of the titles with reference to deity. Again, in Isaiah, el is always used of God and never refers to man.
“No other person ever has God’s name and God is never called Moses, Abram, David, or Jeremiah, so there must be something very special about this son that causes him to have God’s name.”[1]
The syntactical parallelism of this verse also shows that “mighty God” is part of other parallel names for God in this verse putting the Messiah categorically the same as God.
[1] Smith, G. V. (2007). Isaiah 1–39. (E. R. Clendenen, Ed.) (p. 241). Nashville: B & H Publishing Group.
when did Christ ever have the Government on his shoulders as anything other than a burden?
Daniel, we are in the church age, the seven year Tribulation will follow and then the 1000 year reign of Christ follows that known as the Millennium. It is in the Millennium of the future where Christ will reign over the entire earth.
As a Messianic Jewish believer and follower of YESHUA HaMashiach, the Hebrew words in Isaiah 9:6-7 are absolutely amazing.
1. SAR Shalom-Prince of Peace
2. El GIBBOR-The Mighty GOD
3. Shem-Name
4. Bar-Son
Note: Read Jeremiah 23:5-6
The name of YESHUA is:
YEHOVAH TZEDIKANU
THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS
JESUS IS YEHOVAH
Thanks Alan
I just hope we will concentrate on following what God wants us to do rather than making arguments with each other. 🙂
Grant,
I happened on this site because I was looking up the passage Isaiah 9:6&7, and while reading a few comments, I came across the one you made about the 7 year tribulation.
Could you please explain your comment on June 19,2015, that you mentioned a 7 year tribulation period and that Jesus will reign on the entire earth for 1000 years(millennium)? What scripture(s) are you basing your comment on?
In my studying of the Word of God, I have not found no where in the Bible does it mention a 7 year tribulation, nor an earthly millennium reign.
It sounds as though you’re speaking about a “secret rapture” in which Jesus will secretly come and whisk away all the believers and only the unbelievers/unsaved will be left here on earth to go through a 7 year tribulation full of terror. That too, is not found in the Bible.
Many people have been led to believe this false doctrine of a 7 year tribulation/secret rapture theory that many pastors, bishops, leaders, etc. have been teaching for over 200 years. Misinterpretation of the scriptures can cause many people to stumble and miss out on eternity.
I’m not saying you believe this, but from your comment it sounds like you do. So if you have proof of what you’re basing your comment on, I would like to hear it if you don’t mind sharing.
P.S. John 8:32 says, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Del, it is amazing that you claim there is no 7 year tribulation when the book of Revelation argues for the Tribulation from chapter 4 through 19. Chapter 20 presents the Millennium. The major and minor prophets also talk about both. The unconditional covenants such as the Abraham and Davidic both in the OT and the NT talk about both. 1 Th 4 talks about the rapture(for one place)and it is not “secret.”
It appears that you need to study the Bible so that you can find biblical truth. It looks like to me that you are buried in your biases rather than understanding the truth.
Why will he be called the everlasting father
Why will he be called the prince of peace?
Jon, The title “Everlasting Father” is an idiom used to describe the Messiah’s relationship to time, not His relationship to the other Members of the Trinity. The Messiah will be a “fatherly” Ruler.
Jon, He will be called “the prince of peace” because Jesus will establish peace throughout the world during the Millennium (the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth after the Tribulation).
aYou have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him. But now bwe do not yet see all things subjected to him.
every thing mention and explained thoroughly;but when the person stated there no mention in the bible of the 7yr’s tribulation, I almost believed until another brought back that he needed to study. to read the word is good, to study the word must be done to show yourself approved.
What is the difference between child and Son. The only word Son is enough,
Nirmala, a “child” is a small human being whereas a “Son” could be 50 years or more older. Christ was and is the eternal Son of God.
the end of isa 9:7 says “–establish it with JUDGEMENT and with JUSTICE for ever” why judgement in a perfect world? to me that just does not make sense. any comment will help
Doug, The idea is that when Jesus comes in his second coming he will establish judgment and justice in the Millennial kingdom. The judgment and justice established there will continue into the eternal state. The idea is that he will assert his sovereignty over people forever.
Who is eternal father?